Jordi identifies as non-binary, polyamorous, and pansexual.
We share a similar dedication to merging spirituality, sexuality, and activism.
I grew up in the Catholic Charismatic tradition and was a youth leader in my faith community.
Ive explored Christianity, Buddhism, spiritualism, Wicca, esoteric traditions, and more along my spiritual path.
I began my astrology and mediumship studies in the 1990s, around when I came out as a lesbian.
They are all inextricably linked.
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Knowing about Jordis work, I suspected our stories would overlap, and they did in surprising ways.
Jordi:My sun is Taurus, my moon is Scorpio, and my rising is Libra.
I was born a day before the full moon.
My mom and I share a Scorpio moon and Libra rising.
RL:I find patterns repeat themselves within families.
Im a Libra sun, Taurus rising, and Gemini moon.
Coming out was hard.
I turned to spirituality for healing, which meant loving and accepting myself and then forgiving the structural wrongdoing.
I had to come out as a lesbian and as an astrologer.
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Fortunately, things have changed since then.
What is your experience of queerness and how it relates to your spirituality?
J:That is very similar to me.
I grew up in the Church.
The people I was close to at that time were all going to church.
I wasnt necessarilyunacceptingmyself as much as compartmentalizing my queerness.
But in the same breath, I was expanding into my queerness.
So, it was a lot harder later in life to merge myself again.
I didnt have the space to do that until I left home.
I was retracing my steps through the colonial violence of the Church.
RL: We cant separate our sexuality or gender from our spirituality.
Its how we experience our soul in our body and feel connected to the whole.
That mindset has done so much damage.
I can still see remnants of it today in the way many people fear witchcraft, for example.
Were also talking about disconnecting from the land through gender-based violence.
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It was so surreal to witness death in that way.
At the time, somebody invited me to a BLM rally.
We were surrounding the families of victims of police violence.
I had to bring healing, love, and prayers.
So, I was praying in public with my hands up.
There were thousands of people in the street saying the names of the dead up to the heavens.
I remember looking at the sky, and there was a quarter moon between Mars and Jupiter.
The sun was setting, and they all made a circle.
We never turned our back to that alignment, and I had to keep my hands up and pray.
After that, I was thrust into an awareness.
But I also feel the complexities of race, gender, and sexuality as part of my identity.
RL: My spirituality has always informed my dedication to justice.
In 2016, many people woke up to the injustices that pervaded our culture.
Some movements merged spirituality and witchcraft, specifically, with activism.
I was at some of those rallies and in those movements.
You said 2016 was a significant turning point for you.
How have spirituality and activism intersected for you since that time?
J: Spiritual warfare is real.
Im going to shift gears a little and talk about Neptune.
Since 2012, Neptune has been in Pisces, and Neptune relates to larger cultural movements.
Its a time when we can all use our collective imagination to shape the world.
J: I see a lot of spiritual leveling up, especially with this pandemic.
With all the people leaving the planet, were gaining angels.
Theres more connection to spirituality and communication with spirits.
Its interestinga spirituality informed by a lot of death and trauma.
I think this time is informing and shifting the nature of people regarding spirituality and spiritual connection.
J: For me, I feel an urgency.
Violence and pain have traditionally been the reactants, and it doesnt have to be that way.
The planets going through a lot of changes right now, and so are we.
Prioritizing pleasure and healing makes a lot of sense to me.
Thats what Im trying to do in my corner of the world; radiate that from my epicenter.
RL: Ive been exploring how pleasure relates to power for a new book project.
As a lesbian, pleasure and shame go hand in hand.
Part of my spiritual practice recently has been grounding in my body and feeling my senses.
Loving what it feels like to be in a body on this Earth.
I love that you spoke about pleasure.
What are some things you do to nurture that part of yourself?
That means going on walks.
It is a special part of my self care.
RL: I hear you.
Time alone was so important because we were right there in close proximity all the time.
We both work from home.
It was art for me.
I realize we didnt talk about relationships.
Thats so metalking about work, activism, and everything else but relationships.
Are you in a relationship?
J: Thats real!
The pandemic initiated the end of my first and longest relationship.
I feel quite depleted in the ways Ive been manifesting.
So, I know my loverships will be just as different.
Id write love poems and letters to my future wife in a journal.
I didnt know who she was, but I could feel what it was like to be in love.
I did this almost every night for a year.
Tisha and I had known each other as friends for a long time.
I didnt know she was the one until I was ready to see her as the one.
It happened on November 14, 2016the Taurus full moon.
When we were both ready, it happened effortlessly.
I can be a romantic.
Just talking about it now, Im feeling the love.
When they saylove is love,I feel it in my core.
Loving women felt so pure and natural to me.
How has being on a spiritual path and developing your gifts shaped your experience of love?
J: It has deepened my relationship with love.
In that same breath, I think love has become more intense for me.
Even just in processing spaces or experiences in which love is not present or not being expressed.
Ive written about love a lot more.
Ive shared with more people that I love them.
I usually dont think of myself as a bold person, but I am.
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