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Poppy Jamieis a 21st century Renaissance woman.

Basically, theres a very good reason why she was named one ofWell+Goods 2020 Changemakers.

There was such little conversation out there, so few tools.

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It requires training to work in our favor.

I wondered how we could unlock that wisdom and actually make it accessible and actionable.

That was the beginning of the Happy Not Perfect app.

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What do you mean when you say gamify mental well-being?

Im so happy to finally see the mental health conversation slightly moving there as well.

Mental health hygieneiseven more important now, because we have to find ways to create safety inside of ourselves.

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The apps exercises are the opposite of numbing, which is how many of us cope.

I think thats a really great message.

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As the quote goes, Nothings good or bad, just thinking makes it so.

Its just about more people having the courage to talk honestly about how theyre feeling.

By freeing yourself in that way, youre actually freeing everybody around you.

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Its been amazing to see people being so vocal in the Happy Not Perfect community.

To me, thats a sign of such green grass.

If youve got a brain, youve got mental health.

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It sounds a bit cliche, but youre not alone.

What are some low-lift things people can do everyday for better mental health?

Go for a walk.

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Keep hydratedhydrate before you caffeinate.

It basically combines all the steps I could give you into one little mouthful.

Any parting words for remaining in good spirits in this dark time?

We are all so much stronger than we think.

This interview was edited and condensed for clarity.

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